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The list of "first known" VN families has been updated. It now has 40 families that cannot (yet) be connected to a larger VN tree.
If you recognize any of these families, can link them to a larger tree, or would like to be listed as a descendant, please get in touch through the website.
Check out the updated list of families
Feb 21, 2009
Feb 18, 2009
Query: Ephraim Van Orman
Is this a son of Jesse Van ORMAN & Lidia Smith?
Michigan Genealogical Death Indexing System
VANORMAN, EPHIGM
Date of death: 16-Dec-1886
Place of death: JEFFERSON
County of Death: Hillsdale
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 72 years
Cause of Death: BRIGHTS DISEASE
Birthplace: NY
Occupation: FARMING
Father's Name: J, VANORMAN
Father's Residence: MICH
Mother's Name: LYDIA, VANORMAN
Mother's Residence: MICH
Date of record: 28-Jul-1887
1860 Census (Platteville, Grant, Wisconsin) has Ephraim Vanormen age 44, Sophia age 30, Jennette age 12, Mary age 10, Emeline age 1 and Abel BERTIER age 5
1870 Census (Jefferson, Hillsdale, Michigan) has Ephraim Vanorman age 53, Sophronia age 41, Ellen age 11 and George age 9.
1880 Census (Jefferson, Hillsdale, Michigan) has Ephraim VanOrman age 64, Sophronia age 53, and George age 19.
The family cannot be found in the 1850 census. According to the birth places in the 1860 census they should be living in Michigan.
Michigan Genealogical Death Indexing System
VANORMAN, EPHIGM
Date of death: 16-Dec-1886
Place of death: JEFFERSON
County of Death: Hillsdale
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 72 years
Cause of Death: BRIGHTS DISEASE
Birthplace: NY
Occupation: FARMING
Father's Name: J, VANORMAN
Father's Residence: MICH
Mother's Name: LYDIA, VANORMAN
Mother's Residence: MICH
Date of record: 28-Jul-1887
1860 Census (Platteville, Grant, Wisconsin) has Ephraim Vanormen age 44, Sophia age 30, Jennette age 12, Mary age 10, Emeline age 1 and Abel BERTIER age 5
1870 Census (Jefferson, Hillsdale, Michigan) has Ephraim Vanorman age 53, Sophronia age 41, Ellen age 11 and George age 9.
1880 Census (Jefferson, Hillsdale, Michigan) has Ephraim VanOrman age 64, Sophronia age 53, and George age 19.
The family cannot be found in the 1850 census. According to the birth places in the 1860 census they should be living in Michigan.
Profile: Joseph & Elizabeth (Wybern) VAN NORMAN
Joseph Van Norman b. 1741 PA, d. 1824 NY. Married Elizabeth WYBERN c1761 PA. Elizabeth b. 1743 PA or NJ, d. 1813 NY.
Joseph is thought to be the son of Samuel Van NAAMEN and Sarah DELAMONTANIE but conclusive proof has not yet been found.
Joseph & Elizabeth had 11 children:
1. Ephraim b. 1762 PA, d. 1851 ON, m. Elizabeth "Betsy" MINOR
2. Isaac b. 1764 PA, d. c1850 OH, m. Elizabeth Sarah TRUSDALE
3. Daniel b. 1766 PA, d. aft1820, m. twice (wives names unknown)
4. John b. 1768 PA, d. 1831 ON, m. Sarah DEPEW
5. Susannah b. c1770 PA, m. Henry COUNTRYMAN
6. Jesse b. c1773 PA, d. 1851 OH, m. Lidia SMITH & Alletta AMERMAN
7. Sarah b. c1775 PA, d. 1823 NY, m. Thomas FLEMING
8. Benjamin b. 1775 PA, d. OH, m. Hannah
9. Aaron b. 1778 PA, d. 1862 MS, m. Lucretia Bailey House WOODWARD
10. Anna b. 1778 PA, d. bef1810 NY, m. Thaddeus MUNSON & Elijah OWEN
11. Levi b. c1787 NY
Joseph is thought to be the son of Samuel Van NAAMEN and Sarah DELAMONTANIE but conclusive proof has not yet been found.
Joseph & Elizabeth had 11 children:
1. Ephraim b. 1762 PA, d. 1851 ON, m. Elizabeth "Betsy" MINOR
2. Isaac b. 1764 PA, d. c1850 OH, m. Elizabeth Sarah TRUSDALE
3. Daniel b. 1766 PA, d. aft1820, m. twice (wives names unknown)
4. John b. 1768 PA, d. 1831 ON, m. Sarah DEPEW
5. Susannah b. c1770 PA, m. Henry COUNTRYMAN
6. Jesse b. c1773 PA, d. 1851 OH, m. Lidia SMITH & Alletta AMERMAN
7. Sarah b. c1775 PA, d. 1823 NY, m. Thomas FLEMING
8. Benjamin b. 1775 PA, d. OH, m. Hannah
9. Aaron b. 1778 PA, d. 1862 MS, m. Lucretia Bailey House WOODWARD
10. Anna b. 1778 PA, d. bef1810 NY, m. Thaddeus MUNSON & Elijah OWEN
11. Levi b. c1787 NY
Query: VANORMAN, CLARIEY
Michigan Genealogical Death Indexing System
VANORMAN, CLARIEY
Date of death: 24-Nov-1882
Place of death: Bridgeport
County of Death: Saginaw
Sex: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 78 years
Cause of Death: OLD AGE
Who is Clariey? The closest match in the 1880 census is:
Name: Mary Van Norman
Home in 1880: East Saginaw, Saginaw, Michigan
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Widowed
Living with son John (18) and daughter Clara (20)
VANORMAN, CLARIEY
Date of death: 24-Nov-1882
Place of death: Bridgeport
County of Death: Saginaw
Sex: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 78 years
Cause of Death: OLD AGE
Who is Clariey? The closest match in the 1880 census is:
Name: Mary Van Norman
Home in 1880: East Saginaw, Saginaw, Michigan
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Widowed
Living with son John (18) and daughter Clara (20)
Aug 2, 2008
The Van Norman (etc.) Y-DNA Project Results
Your family line not represented? Join in here!
You will notice that a lot of the numbers between the three sets of tests do not match! This indicates that we have three different ancestors represented in the results. Because we have so few results at the moment, there are several interpretations at this time.
The first possibility is that there are more than one Van Norman (etc.) ancestors that we descend from, who were not originally related. This is plausible because the very origins of the name "Van Arnhem" indicate that the original ancestor came from (or "Van") the Town of Arnhem in the Netherlands. Naturally there was likely more than one person from that town who came to North America in the earlier years.
Another possibility is that one or two of the lines trace back to an original Van Norman (etc.) immigrant, and the other one or two lines are the result of one of the anomalies that we talked about earlier -- Adoption, Illegitimacy, and Infidelity, etc.
As additional participant's results are added to our database, we will be able to get a better idea of what situations we are dealing with.
i.e. Are the New Jersey Van Normans descendants of a different line than the New York families? Are the Pennsylvania crowd related to the New Jersey or the New York lines? - Or both? -- Or neither?? Etc., Etc.
As we stated at the start of this project, the rewards are not going to come overnight, but will benefit researchers of the Van Norman surname over the long haul. Naturally we had hoped for more definitive results, but it was not to be!
Here is a brief outline of what the charts do tell us.
1) If all the numbers were identical, except for perhaps one or two, we would consider these people to be all descendants from a common ancestor, within a few hundred years or so. The DYS numbers in red tend to mutate or change faster than the ones in black, so these numbers are usually the ones to watch for. It is these mutations however, which might help us determine which line a particular Van Norman ancestor might connect to, when we are trying to knock down a brick wall in our research, assuming the mutation took place a few generations back, and is not a recent occurrence.
2) Listed on the chart is a Haplogroup that is predicted for each participant. These are generalizations used to "track" the various routes of migration of our early ancestors after they travelled out of Africa many thousands of years ago. While the actual results can be much more detailed, depending on the line, a general rule of thumb indicates that R1b lines are from Western Europe and R1a lines are from Eastern Europe. (There are many more categories than just those two as well.) The Genographic Project is a large study currently underway using this information to determine how humankind populated the earth. For more details go to www.nationalgeographic.com and click on the icon near the bottom left hand side of the page.
More to follow at a later date,
Stephe
You will notice that a lot of the numbers between the three sets of tests do not match! This indicates that we have three different ancestors represented in the results. Because we have so few results at the moment, there are several interpretations at this time.
The first possibility is that there are more than one Van Norman (etc.) ancestors that we descend from, who were not originally related. This is plausible because the very origins of the name "Van Arnhem" indicate that the original ancestor came from (or "Van") the Town of Arnhem in the Netherlands. Naturally there was likely more than one person from that town who came to North America in the earlier years.
Another possibility is that one or two of the lines trace back to an original Van Norman (etc.) immigrant, and the other one or two lines are the result of one of the anomalies that we talked about earlier -- Adoption, Illegitimacy, and Infidelity, etc.
As additional participant's results are added to our database, we will be able to get a better idea of what situations we are dealing with.
i.e. Are the New Jersey Van Normans descendants of a different line than the New York families? Are the Pennsylvania crowd related to the New Jersey or the New York lines? - Or both? -- Or neither?? Etc., Etc.
As we stated at the start of this project, the rewards are not going to come overnight, but will benefit researchers of the Van Norman surname over the long haul. Naturally we had hoped for more definitive results, but it was not to be!
Here is a brief outline of what the charts do tell us.
1) If all the numbers were identical, except for perhaps one or two, we would consider these people to be all descendants from a common ancestor, within a few hundred years or so. The DYS numbers in red tend to mutate or change faster than the ones in black, so these numbers are usually the ones to watch for. It is these mutations however, which might help us determine which line a particular Van Norman ancestor might connect to, when we are trying to knock down a brick wall in our research, assuming the mutation took place a few generations back, and is not a recent occurrence.
2) Listed on the chart is a Haplogroup that is predicted for each participant. These are generalizations used to "track" the various routes of migration of our early ancestors after they travelled out of Africa many thousands of years ago. While the actual results can be much more detailed, depending on the line, a general rule of thumb indicates that R1b lines are from Western Europe and R1a lines are from Eastern Europe. (There are many more categories than just those two as well.) The Genographic Project is a large study currently underway using this information to determine how humankind populated the earth. For more details go to www.nationalgeographic.com and click on the icon near the bottom left hand side of the page.
More to follow at a later date,
Stephe
Jul 25, 2008
The Van Norman (etc.) Y-DNA Project
Welcome to the Van Norman (and variants) Y-DNA Project. The goals of our project are to unite the various Van Norman family lines together - confirming the research of some participants - hopefully breaking down brick walls for others - and perhaps, with a lot of luck, even to locate connections back in the Netherlands for the family.
This is not going to be an overnight project. We will require many DNA samples from as many lines of (male) descent as possible, in order to build up a respectable database to draw conclusions from.
As there could be anomalies in the odd result, due to infidelity, adoption, or illegitimacy, anyone who would be greatly disappointed or upset if the results don't turn out as you would expect them to is recommended not to take the test.
NOTE: The Y-DNA test is for males with the Van Norman (etc.) surname only. [Y-DNA is passed from father to son only, which is ideal for surname research purposes. Through random generations, a mutation in one of the alleles may occur, thus giving the future descendants of that line a slightly different record than that of the original ancestor. It is these mutations however, which may supply us with clues as to which line a Van Norman ancestor with a "brick wall" might belong to. Again, this will not likely happen until our database is sufficiently developed.]
It is also possible to sponsor a distant relative (etc.) if you have no close relations to take the test. Then, at least your line will be represented in the results.
Project Administrator: Stephen Wood, stephe.w300@gmail.com
Co-administrator: Leslie Thomas, aeriehollow@ellijay.com
This is not going to be an overnight project. We will require many DNA samples from as many lines of (male) descent as possible, in order to build up a respectable database to draw conclusions from.
As there could be anomalies in the odd result, due to infidelity, adoption, or illegitimacy, anyone who would be greatly disappointed or upset if the results don't turn out as you would expect them to is recommended not to take the test.
NOTE: The Y-DNA test is for males with the Van Norman (etc.) surname only. [Y-DNA is passed from father to son only, which is ideal for surname research purposes. Through random generations, a mutation in one of the alleles may occur, thus giving the future descendants of that line a slightly different record than that of the original ancestor. It is these mutations however, which may supply us with clues as to which line a Van Norman ancestor with a "brick wall" might belong to. Again, this will not likely happen until our database is sufficiently developed.]
It is also possible to sponsor a distant relative (etc.) if you have no close relations to take the test. Then, at least your line will be represented in the results.
- To order a test, click on this link and follow the instructions.
- For further information on the tests, check the FAQ (Frequently asked Questions) section at FamilyTreeDNA.
- To see our page at www.familytreedna.com, type "Van Norman" in their search engine.
Please keep returning to our results page regularly as we will be posting them as they are received.
Project Administrator: Stephen Wood, stephe.w300@gmail.com
Co-administrator: Leslie Thomas, aeriehollow@ellijay.com
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